For the second week in a row, Kaitlyn shook up the Big Brother 20 house and put a major target on her back. After secretly flipping her vote and sending Steve home last week, Kaitlyn used her HOH to solidify the end of the F.O.U.T.T.E. alliance when she backdoored Swaggy C and put him on the block next to Winston.
The vote on Thursday wasn't nearly as close as it was with Steve, but in an echo of last week's drama, Scottie -- who was decked out in Swaggy gear -- voted against Swaggy and helped send his Core ally home. And as though he were following the blueprint Kaitlyn laid out, Scottie then rose to power as the new HOH. But unlike Kaitlyn, whose devious ways have now been exposed to all, Scottie is still playing both sides of the house -- something Swaggy C seems to have respect for, despite Scottie's role in his eviction.
TV Guide spoke to Swaggy C about Kaitlyn's betrayal, just how many Swaggy C shirts he owns, his hopes for his future with Bayleigh and so much more. Check out Swaggy C's full exit interview below!
Kaitlyn said she went after you because you were coming for her and she needed to stick up for herself. Were you actually going to go after Kaitlyn before she put you on the block?
Swaggy C: There was zero chance I was going after Kaitlyn. She just made that up out of thin air. If I had won HOH, she would have been nowhere near the block -- not as a pawn, not as nothing at all.
Why do you think she was so convinced she was a big target in your eyes?
Swaggy C: What happened with Kaitlyn is we literally got in a two-minute argument maybe three days before she won HOH and it was over something dumb. And then when she won HOH, Tyler got in her ear and expanded it even further and that's why she said she was defending herself. To Tyler, I was a threat maybe, but Kaitlyn, she was in my alliance so she knew she was safe and I would have kept her if I had won HOH. Now her game's in jeopardy because Scottie's HOH.
You were really close to convincing Kaitlyn to try and save you after you talked to her and Tyler. Why do you think she ultimately decided to follow through on sending you home? Was there anything else you could have done to save yourself at that point?
Swaggy C: I don't know. Like I said, she's easily influenced by other people's opinions. She doesn't play her own game. You know, people got in her ear and she went with what they said. There's nothing I could do, like I said. I strategized and campaigned up until the last moment and that's why I said that I could live with the results, because I did everything I possibly could do to stay in the house. And the fact that they still wanted me out, cool, I can live with that. I couldn't live with if I didn't really campaign enough or left anything on the table. I left nothing on the table.
You promised Kaitlyn and Tyler that you'd never go after them during that talk. Were you telling the truth in that moment?
Swaggy C: I was telling the truth. Like, if I had won HOH, I wouldn't have put Kaitlyn or Tyler up for that first week just to show that my word is good. If I had won an HOH again after that, then all bets [would be] off the table. But if they would have saved me and gave me that vote yesterday and I won HOH, they would have been safe for that one week.
Do you think anyone will trust Kaitlyn moving forward after what she's done?
Swaggy C: Not a single person will trust Kaitlyn because they know that she backdoored me so they're probably believing that she flipped on Steve in Week 1. So nobody's going to trust Kaitlyn except for Tyler. And like I said, she'll probably go home this week because Scottie's the HOH, so good luck with that.
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You accused Tyler of falling in love with Kaitlyn. Do you really think he has genuine feelings for Kaitlyn or is he just using her for the game?
Swaggy C: I don't know. Using her for his game? What does she do in the game? She won a lucky HOH where you flip a ball where everybody basically scratched and got off the radar. She landed hers in $80k when $250k was the highest one. So she got a lucky HOH but it's not like she's a huge threat like me or Fessy where you can align yourself and use them. What are you using Kaitlyn for, you know what I'm saying? Like, nobody trusts her in the house, she's not going to win an endurance comp or the Veto comps so I don't know what he's doing. He's rubbing her hair, he's giving her massages, he's sleeping in her HOH room and then when she's not in the HOH room, he's sleeping in her bed downstairs. Dude clearly fell for her and I don't know.
Last night, you said you didn't want to talk to Tyler outside of the house. Do you think you'll ever be able to forgive him or the other people who voted to evict you?
Swaggy C: No, it's just Tyler specifically. It's not about forgiveness. I forgive everybody. At the end of the day, it's all a game. But just because I forgive, I'm not going to talk to you. People who voted against me -- like Angela, Brett, their side -- I can look at them and be cool with that because at the end of the day, they were the enemies. That's their job, to get me out, so I can live with that. But Tyler, I can forgive him but bro, I don't want to talk to you. There's nothing to talk about, you know what I'm saying? I meant what I said last night. I'm sticking to it.
Despite wearing a Swaggy shirt, Scottie was one of the people who voted for you to go. Are you surprised by his decision?
Swaggy C: I'm surprised. When I laid down last night and thought about it, I wasn't surprised. But when I left the house, I was sure it was Haleigh. And then when Julie Chen said it wasn't Haleigh, then I was like ok, Rockstar flipped and I was pissed. But then when I laid down I was like yo, it probably was Scottie. How smart is it to walk around in a Swaggy T-shirt all day from the minute you wake up and then not vote for me and have one side thinking you voted for me, and that's my side and they're going to keep you safe, and then the other side knowing you didn't and they're going to keep you safe. That was a very smart decision.
Do you have any bitterness toward Scottie for his vote or just respect for how he's playing both sides?
Swaggy C: Not at all. Nothing in my heart is bitter toward Scottie. I love Scottie to death. Like I said, if it was a 6-6 vote and Kaitlyn had to break the tie or a 7-5 and that one vote was Scottie, I would be very pissed off. But the fact that it was 8-4, it was out of Scottie's control at that point. There's no ill will toward Scottie at all.
Did you have all these Swaggy C shirts before the show or were they just for the cameras?
Swaggy C: No, I had the shirts way before the show. I had 15 shirts at home way before the show. Honestly, I went through a crazy breakup so I was like, you know what, I'm about to start making some shirts and that's all I want to wear going forward. And then Big Brother called me and said I'm on the show, so I brought them with me. It wasn't for the show at all. That's why when I got evicted, I gave everybody who voted for me a shirt, and then the rest I threw in the crowd because I didn't care at that point.
Can you tell me more about why you decided to get the shirts printed in the first place?
Swaggy C: Like I said before, the reason I came up with Swaggy C is because I went through some crazy times in 2013. So this year, whenever I go through something crazy, I always try to change or do something different. So once when I went through something crazy, like a month-and-a-half ago, I was like you know what, the only thing I'm wearing all summer is anything with my name on it. Nothing that has anything else on it, I won't wear. So that was my big change this summer and then it just so happened that Big Brother called me and I was like, you know what, I might as well wear it on the show. And I've still got more at home because I didn't bring all of them to the show. I threw half in the crowd and I've got the other half at home.
You were initially not happy when you found yourself in a showmance with Bayleigh right away. What is so special about her that you couldn't help yourself?
Swaggy C: She's amazing and she cares. It went further past the game. She did things that were past the game such as making sure I'm up every morning, making sure I'm eating the right things and was literally on top of me making sure I stopped biting my nails, making sure I do my facial treatments. Literally on top of me with everything and it showed that she cared and it wasn't just a game for her. That's what really drew me toward her mostly.
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You said you really love Bayleigh. What are your hopes for when she gets out of the house?
Swaggy C: We talked the night before I got evicted. We said in the event that I do get evicted, let's talk everything out. She gave me her social media passwords to run and then we talked about everything, like how we felt about each other and she told me that she loved me so then I felt the same way back and I told her that too. We talked about moving forward after the show, if I were to get evicted tomorrow, which was two days ago, and we both planned on moving together to L.A. after the show ended. So it's just a matter of once the finale comes, if we still feel that way or not. Because she has a long way to go in this game, obviously, so it could all change.
Who do you hope Bayleigh aligns with now?
Swaggy C: Fes, Scottie and I know it may be hard to trust Haleigh because she doesn't know that Haleigh wasn't the one who voted for me when before the eviction everyone knew that Haleigh was thinking about flipping her vote and the fact that it was 8-4, everybody's going to assume it was Haleigh and not Scottie because he wore the Swaggy T-shirt, obviously. So she may not trust Haleigh but I hope she aligns with Fessy because Fessy will take good care of her. We'll see what happens from there.
Do you think she has what it takes to make it to the finale?
Swaggy C: I do, because now that I'm out of the house, now she can really dive in an focus on the game. And right now, she's in the perfect scenario where she just lost her boyfriend, Scottie's the HOH, he won't put her on the block. The next week's an endurance comp and Fes has a great chance, a better chance at anybody at winning that comp. So she'll be safe with Fes. At that point, it'll be one week until jury and then maybe she'll get an HOH once her quad gets healthier and then she has a really good chance at that point. She knows how to talk to people, so I think she does.
You thought you were running the house, but were blindsided both evictions. So who do you think is actually running the house?
Swaggy C: Under the radar, it is Tyler. You have to say that because he got Kaitlyn to flip on Steve and then he got my own alliance to put me on the block, so it has to be him. But his time is running short because the house is catching on now. In [Season] 16 when Derrick was running the house, nobody was really catching on to it early. They were catching on when it was too late and later in the game. But people are catching on to it now in Week 3 so I don't think he'll make it too far in this game.
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